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 Post subject: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:29 am 
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Report # 26258 (Class A)
Submitted by witness MGC & RC on Sunday, July 12, 2009. Nightime sighting by a couple along a main highway between South Lake Tahoe and Placerville

YEAR: 2009

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: July

DATE: 11

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: Hwy US 50 between Silver Fork and Twin Bridges.

NEAREST TOWN: Silver Fork

NEAREST ROAD: Hwy 50

OBSERVED: Tonight me and my husband were driving on Hwy 50 and we noticed a 8 to 10 foot hairy creature on the side of the road just standing there looking at us while we were driving home... We have driven that Highway enough to know that this was not usual thing to see.

We have seen several deers only, but I couldn't believe what we just seen... I will never drive that Highway at night ever again... It really scared me... I am just curious if any other drivers noticed this big creature on the side of the road.. The time was between 10pm to 10:30pm on July 11th, 2009. It was on the side heading toward Sacramento, CA. It was 3 to 5 miles between Silver Fork and Twin Bridges..

ALSO NOTICED: We had just noticed a small herd of deer about a mile away.

OTHER WITNESSES: Two, I was a passenger and my husband was driver.

OTHER STORIES: My husband has heard of other sightings in this same area. But I never did. This is the first time I have ever seen this for my own eyes..

TIME AND CONDITIONS: 10-10:30pm

ENVIRONMENT: Pine forest and Highway 50.

A & G References: Northern California DeLorme Atlas, Page 89, Index of B-5/6

Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Richard Hucklebridge:

I called the wife tonight, the 14th of July 2009, who is the witness that turned in the report. We discussed her very brief visual sighting that took place on the north side of highway 50 where this creature was just standing, and seemed to be watching the cars and trucks moving along this highway. She usually spends most of her time looking for deer while they are driving down through the mountains and this tree lined highway; sort of an early warning system. She and her husband's total viewing time was just a few seconds. This creature was standing about 20 to 30 feet off of the road in a vehicle pull out area from where their vehicle was moving down the road at least 55 mph traveling towards Sacramento.

This witness said that it was the hairiest creature she had ever seen, plus it was big and scary, and it seemed to be a very dark brown to a blackish color. The witness did view the eyes on this creature's face, but no other details. I asked her if she noticed any other distinguishing characteristics like what might be its gender? She stated that she never noticed any type of gender, but that she did notice its humanistic features like its head, legs and its height for sure.

I asked if I could speak with her husband who might corroborate her story, and she introduced him to me and we spoke for quite some time on this subject and several others. He was a second witness for sure, describing a very thick and massive creature standing there looking like a large tree that just looked out of place in that pull out area. He further stated that it was as at least three feet thick from its shoulders down to its feet.

This witness said that he had his high beams on which illuminated this creature as their vehicle passed by and he thought it may have jumped as the lights hit it, and that's how he may have first noticed this creature. The husband's first impression was that a tree was growing in a vehicle pull out section, and that was just plain wrong. His viewing time was very short. He also described its color as being a very dark brown to black.

In summary, we now have two more confirmed believers, which know for sure that these creatures are out there for real. One reason that I took this report is the fact that I have an extensive report that I am working on that takes place in the same area.

About BFRO Investigator Richard Hucklebridge:

* Four years in the United States Navy, 1955-1959 (Combat Air Crewman on P4M Mercator Patrol Aircraft)
* 37 years in the aerospace industry: 33 years with General Electric at Edwards AFB; More than 5 years with the Northrop Grumman Corp. at Edwards AFB (Flight Line Mechanic on the B-2 Bomber).
* During 20 of those years at Edwards he was a Reserve Deputy Sheriff for the County of Los Angeles.




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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:30 am 
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Report # 21165 (Class B)
Submitted by witness on Thursday, August 23, 2007. Possible brief daylight sighting by a U.S. Forest Service botonist outside Phillips

YEAR: 2007

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: August

DATE: 23

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: From US Highway 50, turn south at Sierra at Tahoe Rd., enter the Sierra Ski Resort and ask permission to 4x4 to the "Short Stuff" run. From there the site is less than a mile. Otherwise it is a stiff uphill trek from the "corral" trailhead in Sayles Canyon. To get there turn right (downhill) just before the black Ski Area metal gate, past the green and orange gate, to the trailhead. From Highway 50, this trailhead is 3.5 miles.

NEAREST TOWN: Phillips

NEAREST ROAD: Sierra at Tahoe Rd (Sierra Ski Resort)

OBSERVED: Today, August 23, 2007, I was hiking off-trail in El Dorado County, California in the forest 60 feet north of the Bryan Meadow trail, when at about 10:30 a.m. I saw a tall dark figure peering around a large red fir stump. This was from perhaps 100 feet away, I quickly walked up to the stump, but there was no one there. It would have been possible to move uphill away from me using the large stump as cover, but only a very athletic person could have managed this in the time available.

Moving then uphill and to the SE, I regained the Bryan Meadow trail and there noted a large footprint, which I photographed next to my two-way radio. It is about twice the length of my foot, (a size 12 boot size). I do not know the source of this print, but it was where the rapid retreat occurred.

I had just parked at the Sierra Ski area (Short Stuff run), and begun walking up the forest north of the trail to Bryan Meadows. I was moving quietly and slowly, crossing from the north side of the stream to the south without being on any trail. Another biologist was still moving up the canyon on the north side of the stream, but was well ahead of my position.

It could have been a human, but the person would have to have been wearing all uniformly dark clothing and had a dark complexion or been wearing dark paint. Head to knee, the figure was a uniformly dark hue and no other detail was discernable, except that the shoulders were slightly more narrow than the average person would be, and the height was at least 6'-3" to 6'-5". The figure was peering at me from the west end of the stump, leaning forward, so that all above the knee was visible. The figure was of a uniformly dark color, perhaps black.

ALSO NOTICED: The Sierra Ski Resort staff complained to me (the day prior) about a particularly ravenous bear causing problems and raiding garbage in this general location.

OTHER WITNESSES: No other witnesses

OTHER STORIES: I was told of another sighting in the El Dorado National Forest, El Dorado County in the Camp Creek area very recently but am not at liberty to offer any details, which would be second-hand anyway.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: See above

ENVIRONMENT: This is Red Fir forest, at about 8,000 feet in elevation. The site is adjacent to a creek with a thick mountain alder thicket. The canopy was full, so the light was not that great.

This red fir stump is distinctive, very large, it would take several people to reach around it. It is broken, perhaps eight feet above the ground, and the massive trunk lies in two pieces that run toward the east. The north side has an unusual amount of the edible mushroom, Polyporus sulphureus growing from it.

Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Cliff Barackman:

I spoke with the witness on 8/31/07 by telephone. The following details can be added to the report:

• The witness was walking perhaps 30 to 50 feet off-trail.
• The witness and the creature stared at each other for approximately two seconds.
• The creature’s right hand was touching the stump during the encounter.
• The creature was described as tall, angular, and thin.
• The witness first thought that he was looking at a woman based on the body movements. He saw no signs of breasts or genitalia, though. During the interview, he always referred to it as a “she”.
• He gauged his height estimate based on the height of his field partner, who stands at six foot, two inches. The creature was several inches taller than his partner.
• The witness did not notice if any of the edible mushroom was eaten or not.
• The print was at the base of an incline less than 100 feet away.
• In the nearby stream was a very high concentration of small brook trout. Most of the fish were between six and ten inches long.
• The witness is a forest service botanist. He has served 26 years in the military, mainly as search and rescue and special ops.

About BFRO Investigator Cliff Barackman:

* Bachelor of Arts Degree in Music (Guitar) -- Cal. State Long Beach
* Elementary school teacher in Los Angeles area for several years.
* Attended many public BFRO expeditions since 2005 (Redwoods, Sierras, Arizona, Southern California, Vancouver Island, Mendocino).
* Attended and/or led numerous non-public BFRO expeditions (CA: Bluff Creek, Blue Creek, Stanislaus NF; WA: Stevens Pass, Olympic Penninsula, Gifford Pinchot Nat'l Forest; Ohio: Beaver Creek; Florida: Green Swamp)
* Led the 2007 and 2008 California Sierra Nevadas Expedition (public), and the Oregon Expedition (public) in June 2008
* Can be reached at Oregon@BFRO.net


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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:32 am 
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Report # 15344 (Class B)
Submitted by witness on Thursday, July 27, 2006. Possible vocalizations heard near Lake Tahoe

YEAR: 2006

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: July

DATE: 22

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: It was at Sugar Pine Point camp ground, right off of Highway 89. We were at space 124.

NEAREST TOWN: Tahoma/Sugar Pine Point

NEAREST ROAD: Highway 89

OBSERVED: Last weekend my girfriend and I went to join her family at Sugar Pine Point in El Dorado County next to Lake Tahoe for a camping trip. On the early morning hours of Saturday July 22nd I was awakened by a strange whoop/howl. I immediately woke my girlfriend up and asked her to listen with me. We were sleeping in a tent. The howl we heard was not close to us. It was at a distance but was very loud. My girlfriends' aunt and uncle were sleeping inside a camper trailer about 50 feet away from us and they said they heard it pretty clear. They have been camping there for years and we all agreed that it was something none of us have ever heard. The whoop/howl lasted 3-4 minutes with short intervals of rest. At one point during the whoop/howl, it almost sounded like there was two "animals/things" making this strange noise.

ALSO NOTICED: The whoop-howl lasted for 3 to 4 minutes. We have listened to all the sound recordings you have on your wesite, two of them sound very similar to what we heard. 1)1973 Puyallup, Washington 2) 1978 Snohomish County, Washington but it sounds almost identical to the sound recording you have from 1993 Del Norte County, California.

OTHER WITNESSES: Yes. My girlfreind, her Aunt and Uncle. Others at the immediate campsite said they heard it to when I asked them.

OTHER STORIES: No, this was my first time there.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: 4:42 AM to 4:45 AM
There was thunder and lightning during the early evening, but was very clear skies by the time we went to bed.

ENVIRONMENT: Pine forest, mountainess terrain, with a creek somewhere in the area.

Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator B Brewer:


When asked about how and why it sounded like two animals for a portion of the sequence of howls, the witness said that the sound seemed to be coming from two different directions for at least part of the time.

The witness states that they have heard other large animals in the wild, and the sound they heard was not like anything they had heard before. Three other witnesses in their campsite, including two experienced campers, agreed.

The witness talked to people in an adjacent campsite the next day, and they described the same sound, and also could not identify the animal that made it.

There have been similar reported auditory observations near this location in the past.

About BFRO Investigator B Brewer:

Former student of Anthropolgy and Primatology as part of studies at the University of Oregon. Currently architectural designer/fabricator in CA. Active field researcher in Western states. Attended the following BFRO expeditions: California Redwoods - 2005; California Redwoods - 2006; California Sierra Nevadas - 2005: New Mexico 2005 ; Arizona Mogollon Rim - 2006 , Oregon / California Border Expedition in November 2006. Oregon 2007, Sierras 2008, Redwoods 2008.


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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:33 am 
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Submitted by witness on Monday, September 05, 2005. Fisherman has an evening encounter with two upright figures near Stumpy Meadows Lake

YEAR: 2005

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: August

DATE: Tuesday the 23rd

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: I was heading towards Georgetown and stopped on the dam at Stumpy Meadows where the concrete overflow runway is.

NEAREST TOWN: Between Uncle Toms cabin and Georgetown

NEAREST ROAD: Wentworth Springs Road

OBSERVED: After fishing small stream off Ice House Rd. and driving back on Wentworth Springs Rd. just past Stumpy Meadows campground I stopped at the overflow concrete runway on the dam. I looked to my left to the lake area that is roped off for the runway. It was just starting to get dark between 8:30pm - 8:45pm "I checked my watch after the incident." I felt the urge to put my cordless spotlite on and look to my right down the concrete runway giving it a quick glance my urge told me to look to the left into the trees, that is when I saw a pair of the biggest red eyes glowing back at me that I have ever seen. We watched each other for 2 minutes it then moved sideways and it was at this time I could see it's outline in the fading light. It was standing upright as it moved behind a tree, when it moved there was another pair of red glowing eyes but much smaller, I must rephrase and say shorter than the original outline.

ALSO NOTICED: I saw no one anywhere roads or at the lake the whole time I had past Stumpy Meadows about 3pm earlier that day until I was almost to Georgetown that evening.

OTHER WITNESSES: No just me and my dog, she is 3/4 Lab & 1/4 Queensland Heeler a great hunter she just watched it and made no noise during the encounter.

OTHER STORIES: I have always been aware that maybe someting is out in the forest of the northwest that we do not know about. I have been checking BFRO reports for about 2 yrs. now.
There is a report of a sighting at Stumpy dam that I relate to from winter 2004.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: 8:30pm-8:45pm Just getting dark no moon out until 10pm-11pm
Clear weather conditions

ENVIRONMENT: Pine forest when looking north on left side of the concrete overflow runway on Stumpy Meadows dam, 35-45 yards from road in the trees.

Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Cliff Barackman:

I spoke to the witness by phone. The following details can be added to the report:

• The witness was parked on the dam when he saw the figure.
• His dog stared intently towards the figures but didn’t bark.
• The encounter happened at a range of approximately 40 yards.
• He did not see any facial features other than the intense red eye glow.
• The figure stepped sideways behind a tree, which is when the witness saw the smaller figure standing nearby.
• The witness estimates the large figure’s height to be 8 1/2 feet tall, and the weight to be over 400 pounds.
• He gave a height estimate of the smaller one of between 4 and 5 feet tall. He described the body as “stocky.”
• The witness is an experienced woodsman who is familiar with the local wildlife.

About BFRO Investigator Cliff Barackman:

* Bachelor of Arts Degree in Music (Guitar) -- Cal. State Long Beach
* Elementary school teacher in Los Angeles area for several years.
* Attended many public BFRO expeditions since 2005 (Redwoods, Sierras, Arizona, Southern California, Vancouver Island, Mendocino).
* Attended and/or led numerous non-public BFRO expeditions (CA: Bluff Creek, Blue Creek, Stanislaus NF; WA: Stevens Pass, Olympic Penninsula, Gifford Pinchot Nat'l Forest; Ohio: Beaver Creek; Florida: Green Swamp)
* Led the 2007 and 2008 California Sierra Nevadas Expedition (public), and the Oregon Expedition (public) in June 2008
* Can be reached at Oregon@BFRO.net



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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:33 am 
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Submitted by witness on Tuesday, September 12, 2006. Backpacker's moonlit encounter near the trail from Wright's Lake to Enchanted Pools

YEAR: 2005

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: August

DATE: 8/20/2005

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: trail from Wright's Lake to Enchanted Pools

NEAREST TOWN: Wright's Lake

NEAREST ROAD: Wright's road

OBSERVED: I used to live in Camino, CA and would go up into Desolation Wilderness as often as I could. The trout fishing was really incredible and it left a wonderful lasting memory with me. Since moving from the area, I hadn't been there in several years. I talked to a friend of mine about going up and camp overnight and do some stream fishing. He agreed and also invited another friend along for the ride.

We got up there in the early afternoon and hiked upstream from Wright's lake and then set up camp. A couple hours later a ranger came by and informed us that we hadn't actually made it into Desolation Wilderness yet, and that we needed to keep hiking for a while. We broke camp and then the 2 guys that were with me, suggested that we go into Placerville and get a room. Apparently they weren't up to camping and fishing after all. I said no thanks and that I wanted to come up here, to come up there and fish, not go party somewhere in town. So they left and I went up the hill farther. The ranger had suggested a great camping and fishing location, but because it was starting to get later in the afternoon, there was no way I would make it all the way before dark. He gave me a general location of where it could be found and what trails to take to get there, but when most of the area is large (football field size) sheets of granite, the trails are only marked with stacks of rocks and they are few and far between.

I ended up getting lost a bit, but I could hear the stream flowing over rocks to the north of me. I walked in another half mile or so and located the stream. Below me about 35 feet down a granite cliff was a stream that did have a pool in it, right on the tree line.
I thought what a beautiful place that would be to have a campsite and then picked my way down the steep cliff side. I set up my camp directly next to the pool and also with the treeline and some very dense woods about 6 feet away to the north. The pool was on the east side of me. I started fishing as soon as my tent was back up and had a gorgeous finish to a very nice day. Then after it got dark, I climbed into my sleeping bag looking to the east to the Crystal range, I think it is called, and watched as the glow of a full moon worked it's way up over the top of the granite mountains. Once it was over, my day was complete and I decided to go to sleep. That was at 10:30 pm.

As I started to drift off to sleep, I heard what can only be described as a very low rumbling growl. When I go into a wilderness area, especially a place I know has bears really thick, I always carry a handgun with me. On this occassion it was a .45 compact. When I heard the growl, it really scared the crap out of me, because it was so close. I jumped up, with my .45 in hand and looked out the top of the screen mesh on the tent. I could see a dark mass about 4 1/2 feet tall, right at the edge of the tree line, 6 feet from my head. I yelled some really loud obscenities and started climbing out of my tent. Once I was clear of the door I brought up my pistol and fired into a dead tree a few feet away from what I thought was a big black bear. As soon as the pistol went off, it turned and ran back into the brush, but it didn't seem to go very far and that concerned me. Bears will usually run like heck and for a long time when they get a shot that close. This seemed to go maybe 50 feet or so into very thick brush. I could hear it thrashing about as it moved deeper into the trees, but then it just stopped. It all went quiet for about 15 minutes or so and then I tried going back to bed. Shortly after I started hearing what sounded like somewhat large rocks, hitting in the water, just above the pool I was camped beside. It would happen every couple of minutes or so. It was the sound of not only the splash, but also of the rock hitting other rocks, submerged in shin deep water. That "cracking" sound. This really concerned me, thinking the "bear" may be circling my campsite and trying to get at me from a different angle. I got out out my tent on several occasions, and was trying to see if I could make out any movement on the other side of the stream but nothing. I usually keep a small flashlight in my tackle box, which I had, but it was one of those small "shake it" and it charges up the cell and lights up for a few minutes. Not much of a flashlight really and worse yet, the handle is clear and so when I would turn it on, the handle would light up too, actually making it harder to see. I had a full moon though and the area is surrounded with stark white granite slabs, and so except in the darkest of the woods, I could see pretty clearly. This went on like this until 2:00 am. That was when I got another "visit". I didn't get to see it, this time, but I heard movement really close to my tent again, same place as the first time, and when I yelled at it, I got a return of something that sounded like an "Ooof" "Ooof", but really deep sounding. I jumped out of my tent again thinking I was going to see it again, but didnt. Still, I put another shot into the dead tree and off it went crashing through the brush again. Again it only went about 50 feet back. There was something odd about the way it sounded when it was running too. I didn't catch what it was though until I listened to the footsteps of a bipedal walking from your site here. It was only on two feet!! It concerned me enough to realize that it didn't sound like a 4 legged animal at the time, but I didn't know what was different until I heard your recordings. Anyway, still thinking I was dealing with a rogue bear, I started trying to figure out what it wanted with me. Was I camped on it's trail to the water? Was it used to finding food in tents? Desolation is a very high traffic place. This particular place was a ways off the trail and it didn't appear to have much in the way of hikers. Hikers usually leave some kind of sign, trash, fish hooks, something to say that they were here before, but this place was very clean.

So I decide to take my sleeping bag out of the tent and move over to the middle of this big slab of granite that I am on. There is about a 4 foot tall ledge facing the woods where all the activity was going on. But now the treeline is 50 feet away and not 6. Figuring this would give me some advance warning if I got charged. The rocks kept flying, and I kept trying to sleep with one eye open, hoping the sun would come up soon, and checking my watch all night long. Then "she" showed up. It was 4:40 am and something woke me. I heard movement at the tree line again and I looked to where it all started from. I didn't see anything but then I looked at my tent. Standing right next to my tent was the "creature?". My tent is about 4 feet tall maybe a little less and what I saw was more than twice as tall. At first I couldn't see any features, just the outline. Then it took a couple of steps towards me. I almost pee'd my pants right there. I picked up the .45 and took a shot off to the left of it. It stopped and looked at me. Then it started walking towards me again. It was very fast. I don't mean that it was running, it's just that the steps were so big, the distance was closing very fast. Had it been a bear, I would have shot it immediately, but honestly, I don't think my .45 would have been able to stop it. One shot would definitely not killed it or stopped it in its tracks. Then as it was approaching me, I took another shot, but this one much closer. I could see it very clearly at this point and yes I did pee my pants. The second shot made her stop again, and then she took off running to the northwest through an area of mostly granite slab and dotted with scrub pine. This was the last time I saw her. She ran off out of sight at great speed. I stayed up the rest of the night until it got light enough for me to hike back towards Wrights Lake to the South West. For the remainder of the darkness I pretty much stayed put with the ledge to my back and my gun in my hand, and shaking in my skin. I have not been able to sleep right since then, and for the next couple of months after the incident, I couldn't sleep at all. Everytime I closed my eyes, I would hear the growls and the rocks splashing and then see her coming at me. I would be willing to take someone back up there to show where it happened, but only during daylight hours. I have been a hunter and fisherman most of my life and have seen what I thought, was every animal in the woods at one time or another. Nothing like this has ever shown it's face before, and I hope it never does again.

There was another incident however. On December 13th, 1992 up in Snow Mountain Wilderness area, above Elk Creek California. I would be willing to talk to someone about this also.

ALSO NOTICED: There was so much going on. At first, there was the growl heard right outside my tent, and when I jumped up and looked out the rain fly on top, I could see it, crouched down. This is what made me intially think it was a large bear. It was a large mass about 4 1/2 feet tall tucked in the treeline about 6 feet away. When I jumped out and yelled at "it" and then fired my .45 into a dead tree a few feet away, it ran away into the brush, but only about 50 feet back into the woods. This I thought was unusual, because a bear will usually take off running and not stop until sunrise! After about 15 mintues it got really quiet and I assumed it had left the area. But thats when the rocks started landing in the water just upstream about 20 yards. This went on all night long. Just as I was ready to get back to sleep, another rock or two would hit the shallow stream and make a splash as well as the rock on rock "cracking" noise. That was followed up by another visit at 2:00 am and then the biggy at 4:40am.

OTHER WITNESSES: No. Unfortunately it was only me.

OTHER STORIES: no not in this area, and I have been going there for many years. When I lived in the area I used to go into Desolation wilderness all the time. Just about every weekend that I wasn't working during the summer months. I've camped there at Wright's Lake as well as with my stepson at Dark Lake. There was one time when we spent the night at Dark Lake, that we had footsteps all around our campsite and it kept us up all night, not knowing for sure what it was, and there was some wood knocking going on then too. But other than that, the only other time where I had an encounter was a hunting trip into the Snow Mountain wilderness area up above Elk Creek, California. That will be a whole different episode!

TIME AND CONDITIONS: from 10:35pm until 4:40am the following morning.

ENVIRONMENT: It is primarily glaciated granite, surrounded by sparse high altitude pine trees. You know how the trees start getting thin and scraggly when you get up above 7,000 feet.

Follow-up investigation report:

This credible sighting lasted long enough for the witness to make some focused observations. I interviewed the witness by telephone, and asked for some clarifications and other observations not given in the report, based on my notes from the original information submitted. The conversation lasted an hour and a half, discussing a variety of subjects; some not related to the encounter. I undoubtedly did not ask all the questions about the encounter that I could have, and in writing this report from my notes, other questions about movement and morphology have come to mind. I will be in contact with the witness, and may possibly have him take me to the site sometime in the next few weeks. This report may be updated as I learn more about the encounter.

The witness is ex-military, having had training as a sniper; this training involves observation as much or more than it does weapons proficiency. It can be assumed that the witness is excellent at judging distance and size, as well as relative features of the terrain.

In a phone conversation with the witness, the investigator obtained the following information:

Description:

When the figure got within about 15 feet of the witness, the bright full moonlight illuminated the front of it and allowed this witness to see some details of the face shape, among other things. The animal's face was "similar to a human," with the nose being slightly wider, and the lips about the same proportion as human. The nostrils faced downward, not outward like a gorilla. The lower jaw was wider and larger in proportion to the head than a human. There was hair on the face and jaw, similar to a beard, about 1-1.5" in length. The hair on the head, shoulders and arms was considerably longer, ranging from 3-8". The hair was not thick like fur, as the skin could be seen through it in places. The witness said that he could see breasts, and decided that it was a female based on that observation; "Breasts were large and saggy, but everything was for the most part, proportionate. They weren't excessively large. Yes, I saw the nipples, brown in color".

The eyes appeared brown, with no whites showing. Eyes were about the same size in proportion to the head as a human. The level of the mouth was about even with the shoulders. The arm length was longer than human, with the fingertips not quite reaching the knees.

The head was conical in appearance from the side, but the "cone" was not evident when facing the animal. The back of the head appeared mainly flat coming down from the peak of the "cone" toward the shoulders. (The above description is as related by the witness sitting on the ground 15' away from the animal, looking upwards at it)

Movement:
The arms were carried low while walking both at a "normal" pace and when retreating rapidly; they did not bend at the elbow as much as a person moving rapidly. The walking strides were particularly long, covering a lot of distance quickly, but not in a jerky or forced manner. The fast retreat involved more arm motion, and when asked specifically about whether at any time both feet were off the ground (running; vs. one foot in the air at a time being considered walking), the witness thought that they might have been off the ground at the same time, but wasn't certain. The overall motion while moving rapidly was said to be a loping motion. Before the retreat, the animal turned it's head rapidly and looked toward the treeline. This movement was stated to involve only the head, which turned sideways parallel to the shoulders, followed by the body in the same direction, at which time the animal began it's rapid retreat in that direction. It reportedly did not head directly toward the treeline and cover, but headed off over the granite keeping the same general course until it was out of sight.

Sounds:
The initial growl was very loud, and deeper in timbre than the witness could imitate. The witness said that it seemed that the growl was directed at them, and not an ancillary growl in general. The "oof oof" sounds were also very deep, each lasting about a half second, separated by as much time (from witness's imitation).

Other:
Height is estimated at 84"-90" (7'-7'6"), based on the relative height when compared to the tent, which measures 42" tall. Witness said that it was about twice as tall or a little more than the tent when standing next to it.


Rock throwing came from the same strip of trees where the 4.5' tall mass was initially seen. This strip of trees was about 15' wide near the tent, and narrowed to about 6' where it reached the stream. The strip of trees widened as it got further from the stream; pie shaped. The initial sound of the animal running away went into the thicker section of the strip away from the stream.

There was no indication that there was more than one animal involved, or in the area. The audible rock throwing did not occur while the animal was in sight.

No smells were mentioned.

No eye reflection was mentioned.

When asked about whether the animal had any expression (anthropomorphic) on it's face as it approached, the witness said that it had none that they could discern.

Exchanges of topo maps and aerial photographs have pinpointed the location of the incident.

Added Oct. 25:
I returned to the location with the witness, and took pictures and measurements. I reconstructed his campsite with flagging tape to show orientation of the tent, and relative location(s) of the animal. I also videotaped his accounting of what happened. We found the bullet holes in the stump, and they lined up exactly with the spot where he said he was standing outside his tent. We also found a depression in the ground, 8'x6' x 3' deep, in the general location that the rocks were being thrown from. I tossed a couple baseball sized rocks into the stream from there, and the witness said that was similar to the sound that he heard. We did a quick survey of the area, and found a couple foot shaped depressions, but they were old and could have easily been made by a hiker. No tree-breaks, stacking, isolated limb breaks or other suspected sasquatch related behavior was noticed. Any tracks left from the encounter would have been obliterated by the winter snow and runoff. Some of the measurements were off from the witness's estimations; the stump was about 24', not 6' from the tent door. The treeline was about 15' at the closest to the tent. The animal did approach within 15' of his hiding place, though. It should be mentioned that the terrain in this area is three-dimensional. There are ledges and slopes and steps everywhere; the location where the witness was sitting on the granite against a ledge was actually several feet lower in elevation than the water level near his tent 25' away. The spot where the animal was standing next to the tent was almost a foot higher than the ground the tent was on, and the base of the stump was over 2' higher than the ground at the tent. The spot where it stood 15' from the witness was a little over a foot higher than the ground at his location. While the terrain in that area has a lot of open space on the granite, the drainages and cracks and canyons are very thick with trees and brush. There are nearby grassy meadows and swampy areas, as well as mountain lakes and streams. We noticed bear tracks on route to the site, and there was evidence of deer, so this area can support large animals at least in the summer. Clarification on the amount of light available at 04:30 that night: the full moon was at the back of the witness and not diffused by trees. In the clear air of the mountains or desert, a full moon is bright enough to allow you to read a book; this is based on the personal observations of both the witness and the investigator.

About BFRO Investigator B Brewer:

Former student of Anthropolgy and Primatology as part of studies at the University of Oregon. Currently architectural designer/fabricator in CA. Active field researcher in Western states. Attended the following BFRO expeditions: California Redwoods - 2005; California Redwoods - 2006; California Sierra Nevadas - 2005: New Mexico 2005 ; Arizona Mogollon Rim - 2006 , Oregon / California Border Expedition in November 2006. Oregon 2007, Sierras 2008, Redwoods 2008.


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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:37 am 
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Submitted by witness R. C. on Monday, June 06, 2005. Man sees and photographs large print on shore of Lake Tahoe

YEAR: 2005

SEASON: Spring

MONTH: May

DATE: 5

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: We were south of Tahoe City, and north of Sugar Pine Campground.

NEAREST TOWN: Tahoe City

NEAREST ROAD: 89?

OBSERVED: We were at Lake Tahoe the first week of may this year - 2005. While walking on the beach looking for pretty stones, my friend noticed this print in the beach gravel. What really caught our eye was the depth of the print (3 inches) and how the stones on the bottom had been incredibly compressed as if done by a great weight. Other prints were visible, but not as good as this one.

We were south of Tahoe City, and north of Sugar Pine Campground.

ALSO NOTICED: Fish had been jumping at end of dock day before. On this day and after 3 hours of fishing, we never saw a single fish.

OTHER WITNESSES: 2

OTHER STORIES: Both north and south of this location, had seen these in your database - Truckee and Sugar Pine Campground area.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: Afternoon, break in the rainy weather.

ENVIRONMENT: Gravel beach on Lake Tahoe.

Follow-up investigation report:

I talked with the witness by phone. The following details can be added to the report.
--Even though it was May, there was still snow on the ground. It snowed one of the days they were there.
--Very few people were around.
--The human foot in the photo is 11 inches long.
--Witness estimated the print to be 17 inches long and 9 inches wide. Depth was 3.5 inches deep.
--The track line ran from along the dock toward the water, in a complete straight line.
--The witness emphasized the depth of the track. The witness weighs 240 pounds and could not create his own track similar to this one.

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Submitted by witness J. W. on Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Couple Has Early Evening Encounter Near Stumpy Meadow Reservoir

YEAR: 2004

SEASON: Winter

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: the dam or reservoir, what ever you call it, has a road running over the top of it. coming from gorgetown going to loon lake you would start going over the dam before you cross it you go over the spillway. a big cement canal runs down the back of the dam down into a cannel. on side has a shear face the other has an access road leading down along the spillway to the bottom. a maintenance road you might say. but at the top of the road has a gate with a lock. but its enough to park a car of the road. if a ranger came we would of surly gotten a ticket.

NEAREST TOWN: Georgetown

NEAREST ROAD: Wentworth Springs Rd.

OBSERVED: i went fishing with my girlfriend at stumpy meadows last winter. we been up their about five days out of the week. early in the morning we would arrive try to get the line in the water as much as possible. the rest of the time i would be looking for gold. we mostly stuck around the dam and the spillway. my gold fever and wanting to catch a trout with my fly poll got me to wonder down along the spill way. the hole time i couldn’t shake the bad filling i had well we had. it was the hair on the back of your neck being watched felling. i was at the vary bottom of the spillway in the middle of the stream standing on a rock fishing. my girlfriend was about twenty feet away panning. she said something lick lets get otta here something’s watching us. i told her i was catching it for awhile now to. so we climbed out of our little spot and onto a service rode that ran along the spillway. the hole time rubbernecking left right and especially behind us .some thing was putting the creep on us and was getting closer. we were walking as fast as you could without running or looking like you were scared sh**liss .but we both knew if one or the other broke and made for the car you might be last. so we held our ground and walked as casually as could be. i informed her that something was up on the other side of the spillway the hole time we were their watching us. and it was keeping pace with us as we made our way up the steep road. the thing behind us came from down bellow us on the same side of the stream and it was following just far enough not to be seen. we would stop it would stop. im a native american from auburn, and some of my relatives live in foresthill. and ive spent many nights with my cousins hunting though hills. I’ve been followed by mountain cities a couple times. so i know the experience when that’s the case. this was not the case sadly, if you were there you could say sadly, i would much rather a cat follow me somehow. but just in case it was a cat driving us or not. i told her to lock and load. that usually does the trick for the hiby jibys but not this time. the things present made my firearm fill like it was a rubber band and folded paper, and extra weight for when she bolted before me to the car. the last twenty feet to the car was easy. the thing had stopped about seventy feet before the car i stood watch as she loaded the car in record speed. a inflatable two man canoe four fishing poles ice chest, tackle, fit in the back set of my camero some how in thirty seconds. we pulled out of the entrance way and on to the road in the middle of the dam. it was dark by now no cars nothing all day. we got out to gather ourselves and unload and put away the pistols, while she did that i walked back towered the spillway something big and black came up and around the spillway and up the other side of the hill were the other thing was. i was about one hundred feet from were they were. i didn’t feel the fear as before. in a gap between some cwaycky brush one large thing and two smaller things followed. i yelled “hey” loudly. the things gurgled some what back at me. they kept this up as they walked up over the hill from me. it was some what like four quick gereag gereag gereag gerags, than lick two than a couple more. than they some what repeated the same sequence again. all the while walking up over the crest of the hill, into the darkness. it reminded me of a mother giving me a tongue lashing or her children one after a close call. well thats what i related it to, but what was fact is it was talking something. im not to certain on the right number of individual words there were but it definitely was in some sort of sentence structure, stopped than repeated again.

ALSO NOTICED: just the similarities in the conduct of how they waited for the one lone thing to catch up. how you could say they were waiting for the other to catch up. this is after i seen the other two already up on the other side. the one that followed us was smaller than the one with the big one. at the time it was following us but it appears that it was just making its way up and around the spillway to were the others were waiting for it and definitely the way it talked in sentences or in a structured manner over and over not continually but stop for a second than started over again what sounded the same thing again.

OTHER WITNESSES: there was no one else. maybe a camper on the other end of the dam in the parking lot ,about seven hundred feet down the dam

OTHER STORIES: yes i have. after this im not sure how long, but i was listening to art bell about bigfoot recordings some guy made of these things that (was) supposed (to be) of bigfoot. it was the same words. I recall them words because thats what they were. not how they made some kind of sentence but the individual gurgle like talk. it was the same thing. same sounds. the recordings didnt have the structure but definitely the same sounds.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: i was late in the day when things got worse to the point were we had to leave was getting dark fast the sun was just bellow the hills on the horizon. when we pulled out into the middle of the dam it was dark you cold see things in deep blue thought.

ENVIRONMENT: forest, pine trees manzaneta and what i call qayky brush, its this tree that has bright green leaves not tall but bushy with gray bark.

Follow-up investigation report:

Following a telephone conversation with this witness, the following details can be added to the report:

- The witness reported a foul odor in the area prior to the sightings. He reported the smell as "the smell of feet."

- He reports the larger form higher on the hillside to be the size of "a portable outhouse."

- He also reports seeing something cross the road and join the others before they all disappeared over the ridge and out of sight.


The witness shared another experience with me from about 12 years earlier. The witness stated he was deer hunting with his family in an area nearby this location in the early morning hours when he and his cousin had an unusual experience.

He stated they were hiking to their deer stands near daybreak when they heard an animal coming down the embankment above them. Out of the thick brush emerged a deer that, in his words, appeared to be "drunk." He says the deer was staggering, walking sideways and looking behind him as if he were looking for something following him.

He stated even though the deer saw them, it began to come towards them while "bucking like a bronco." He stated the deer was hopping and bouncing and kicking up its rear legs while approaching their location.

As this was during open deer season, they shot and killed the deer and began to field dress it. Shortly after approaching the downed deer, they heard a very loud vocalization from the brush on the hillside above them. The witness described the sound as a "roar / growl that turned into what sounded like a woman screaming." He stated he had never before heard anything similar to that vocalization.

The witness then stated they began hearing what sounded like very large tree branches being broken and snapped off, along with a violent thrashing sound. He stated large, broken off tree limbs were thrown from the brush above them down towards them.

He also reported there were very large rocks thrown in their direction from the hillside above them as well. He says they were obviously thrown over the top of the thick brush and all landed very close to them. He stated the size of the rocks varied from grapefruit size to watermelon size.

It was at this point they decided to abandon the deer kill and evacuate the area and they left immediately. He says they did not return to attempt to retrieve the deer, nor have they returned since then.


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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
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Report # 8650 (Class B)
Submitted by witness on Monday, May 10, 2004. Brothers hear unusual, late-night vocalizations near Sly Park

YEAR: 2003

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: June

DATE: 10

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

NEAREST TOWN: Placerville

NEAREST ROAD: no

OBSERVED: I wanted to comment on your report case #8595. My parents live in Sly Park. They are at the edge of the National forest. I have heard sounds late at night along with my brother who lives there. Last summer was the last time. But more importantly I have some photo's that I would like you to see. I have heard that Bigfoot often times will mark their territory or paths that they travel on.

OTHER WITNESSES: My brother has seen the markings as well as hearing the strange sounds at night.

OTHER STORIES: Yes your case report 8595.

Follow-up investigation report:

After a telephone interview with this witness, the following details can be added to his report:

- The witness and his brother have both heard many various vocalizations from the forest at night during the summer.

-They also both saw what looked like very large, human shaped bare footprints with a step distance of about 5 feet, as did their mother. No photos or casts were taken of these tracks in a dirt roadway.

-Upon exploration of the nearby area, they found evidence of twisted, broken tree limbs in an area where it would be "next to impossible for a machine to have caused the damage" and submitted the following photos they took of them:

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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:40 am 
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Submitted by witness M. on Monday, May 03, 2004. Man has early morning sighting near Sly Park

YEAR: 2003

SEASON: Fall

DATE: 1

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

NEAREST TOWN: Pollock Pines

NEAREST ROAD: Sly Park road about 3 miles from Highway 50

OBSERVED: I am posting this report after several months of trying to dismiss what I saw as a bear or other common animal. I have come to the conclusion that what I saw could only have been an unknown animal such as Sasquatch, as the behavior and curiosity of the animal does not match any animal I am aware of, yet is consistant with Sasquatch descriptions I have read on this and other web sites.

I had heard recent reports of black bear sightings becoming more common in the Pollock Pines area and that the bears are extending their range from the Rubicon/Desolation Wilderness area south to Pollock Pines. Two black bears had recently been hit and killed on Highway 50 about 3 miles north of my encounter. All this talk of bears in our area is what led me to initially conclude that what I had seen was a bear.

Approximately 5:30am sometime in early fall I was travelling northbound about 45mph on Sly Park road heading toward Highway 50. It was almost completely dark, there was some light starting to become visible, there where no other vehicles. I rounded a sharp corner to the left going downhill when my highbeams hit a large animal on the left side of the road, it was standing on two legs and was facing to the left. It appeared to be grabing at something in the trees in the front yard of a residence. As soon as my light hit the animal it quickly turned 180 degrees to it's right in a twisting motion going down on all fours and proceding to run on all fours to the other side of the road. The right side of the road had thick brush which at that time appeared to be about 3 feet tall. The right side of the road also opens into thick forest land. Upon first seeing the animal I slowed down to about 25mph to be sure this large "bear" got across the road without me hitting it. As I drove past the location where the animal had entered the brush I looked out the passenger window and to my surprise I saw it's face in the brush looking right into the window only a few feet away. I saw large reddish brown eyes, a large brown head and a dull black (not shiny) area that would have been the nose. I did not see ears and since it was looking straight on, I was unable to discern a flat or pronounced snout. In retrospect the face appeared to convey an emotional look of concern or panic.

During the encounter I did not consider the animal to be anything other than a bear until several minutes later when I thought it was odd that the animal would cross the road to escape then stop just inside the brush to watch me pass. I would think a Bear would continue to run into the forest. Even with this curious behavior I continued to assume it had been a bear. I was shocked into reconsidering my expanation a few weeks later when road crews cleared the brush away revealing that the brush was growing on a drop off that was 5 feet lower than the road, making the brush 8 feet tall. This would rule out the animal being on all fours while looking into my passenger window. The animal had to have stood up again immidiately after entering the brush to reach the hight required to look into my window, that would place the animal at approximately 8 feet tall. Is it likely that all the behavior I have described can be attributed to a bear, not likely in my opinion.

OTHER WITNESSES: No other witness

OTHER STORIES: I've been camping in the Sierra Nevadas and Desolation Wilderness since childhood. I've heard calls and screams matching sould bites and reports on your site in the same areas I've heard the sounds in the Desolation Wilderness area.

I've read reports on your site that seem to indicate there may be a concentration of these animals in the Desolation Winderness North of Highway 50 between Pollock Pines and Echo Summit.
I also read a report on your site that finally convinced me to subit my report. It was a report that mirrors the behavior I witnessed, "the animal going down on all fours to escape an oncoming vehicle"

TIME AND CONDITIONS: Approx: 5:30am. Dark, just before dawn. Weather was clear, no fog. Cool fall morning, but not cold.

ENVIRONMENT: The section of Sly Park road where the sighting occured is residential on the west side and dense forest on the East side.

Follow-up investigation report:

I talked with the witness by phone. The following details can be added to the report:

--The sighting happened half way between the lake and Highway 50 on Sly Park Road.
--The tree the animal was looking at was a Dogwood.
--The animal did not move like a bear when it crossed the road. Its legs were longer than its arms, so it moved like a person trying to walk with their hands on the ground.
--The animal must have been around 8 feet tall due to the drop off on the side of the road.
--Witness heard screams as a boy scout in the Desolation Wilderness area in the early to mid 1980s.


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 Post subject: Re: (BFRO) El Dorado County
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:41 am 
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Submitted by witness B. C. on Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Campers hear late night screams near Pollack Pines

YEAR: 2003

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: August

DATE: 17

STATE: California

COUNTY: El Dorado County

LOCATION DETAILS: Campground on Union Valley Lake. From Highway 50, take Ice House Road and follow for at least 12-15 miles into the hills. Some of the areas around the lake looked like it had been destroyed due to a fire a few years back.

NEAREST TOWN: Pollack Pines

NEAREST ROAD: US 50, Ice house road

OBSERVED: The weekend of August 16th my family and I went camping on Union Valley lake. We had three tent sites about a 100 yards from the shore. On Saturday night my 2 year old son had trouble sleeping and kept me up. I'm guessing it was around 1 or 2 am because of where the moon was. About 200 yards to the south of our site in the woods this very loud and drawn out scream rang out. I immediately stopped moving to try and see if I could hear any movement. Then, from the west across the cove, the same sound responded. The scream from the west continued at least 15 to 20 times. There were other campsites and I remember seeing someones shadow as they walked to the bathroom. The screams got louder and the individual hurried to the bathroom letting the door slam behind him. The screams stopped and did not return. My wife and two kids slept through the whole thing which surprised me considering how loud the scream was. The next morning I asked my father-in-law and my wife's uncle, who were in the other sites, if they heard the screams. Both them and their wives heard them as well. My father in-law, and my wife's uncle thought it might have been a group of coyotes, but we all agreed that we never heard anything like that before in our lives. I can usually immitate any sound, but this scream was impossible for me to mimic. It was too loud for me to do. I have listened to all of the audio that I could find and the recordings in Pallyup Washington are similar.

ALSO NOTICED: Nothing else.

OTHER WITNESSES: 4 in total that heard the screams.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: 2 am, clear sky at least a three quarter moon.

ENVIRONMENT: Pretty thick forest. I have only been living in California for a month now so I am guessing that the trees where mainly Pine. What was surprising was that the campground was packed with people and the sounds where so close. The lake was really low as well, I guess at least 20-30 feet from the high water line on the lake.

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The campground mentioned was either Sunset or Fashoda Campground. This location is not far from Lake Tahoe, the Desolation Wilderness, and the Rubicon watershed.


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